Luthuli Museum

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Monday, 13 Jul 2020

SABC SAfm radio interviews historian Jabulani Sithole about Nkosi Albert Luthuli for the Talk Shop programme.

The interview opens with a question to Sithole about Luthuli's Adventist connections, which leads to a discussion about his Church affiliations and then his education as well as a short history of Groutville and KwaDukuza. Sithole then moves the conversation towards Luthuli's leadership qualities and explains how these made it possible for him to reconcile factions within the ANC in 1944.

Luthuli's Nobel Peace Prize award is also discussed as is his relationship with the SACP and communism more generally. Just prior to the phone-in session, the matter of armed struggle is mooted. Sithole explains that even if Luthuli was personally uncomfortable with the formation of MK, once the decision was taken, it became the collective responsibility of the ANC.

Questions from listeners focus on Luthuli's knowledge of the scriptures as justification for armed struggle, what influenced Luthuli's world view, his stance on passive resistance, and his multi-faceted character, which meant he facilitated relations between the ANC, NIC, SACP.

The interview concludes with a short exchange on the circumstances surrounding Luthuli's death, an issue that Sithole declares is unresolved. Finally, Sithole draws attention to the continuing international attention received by Luthuli up until his death, which is evident by RFK's visit to Groutville in 1966.

Oral History: Yunus Mahomed

Monday, 17 October 2011 17:08 Published in Audio Visual

Oral history interview between Yunus Mahomed (son of E.V. Mahomed) and Nasreen Manjoo.

Yunus shares stories about his father and "Uncle Chief" Luthuli and their deep friendship. He speaks about his father's involvement in politics, how he dealt with the ever present special branch forces, the Stanger community and Kennedy's visit to Groutville.

Yunus also reflect's on the community's reaction to Luthuli being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. As well, he speculates on how Sharpeville shifted Luthuli's attitude to armed struggle and whether Luthuli's death was an accident.

Photograph: Luthuli and grandson

Monday, 17 October 2011 17:08 Published in Archives
Digital copy. Newpaper photograph of Luthuli smiling and waving while holding grandson in his right arm.

Interviews by Owen & Corbett and A. Luthuli, E. Luthuli, Y. Mohammed & G. Suleman

Oral History: Ayesha Bayat

Monday, 17 October 2011 16:59 Published in Audio Visual

Oral history interview between Ayesha Bayat and Nasreen Manjoo.

The focus of this interview is Bayat's attendance at Chief Luthuli's funeral and the atmosphere of that day. She also speaks of her family's move to Stanger and her experience living there as a teenage Muslim girl. Although she never met Chief Luthuli, she gives insights into his popularity and reputation within the Stanger community and the suspicion that surrounded his death.

Oral History: Anne Kjelling & Ingrid Eide

Monday, 17 October 2011 16:53 Published in Audio Visual

Oral history interview with Anne Kjelling & Ingrid Eide by Barbara Wahlberg.

Kjelling and Eide speak about Norway's occupation, the Norwegian campaign of passive resistance and how it affected the population's attitude to oppression in South Africa. Experience living in the USA during racial segregation is also offered as an explanation for sympathy with the anti-apartheid movement and both narrators give insights into the Civil Rights movement, focussing particularly on the role of students.

Students and the International Student Organisation are identified as sources of information on Apartheid South Africa for Norwegians during the Liberation Movement. Both narrators speak of their efforts to forge relationships with international students at that time, even if they did not sympathise with their communist affiliations.

The Indian situation and Ghandian principle of non-violence are also discussed with reference to Luthuli's own message of non-violence and his elucidation on this matter in his Nobel Lecture and acceptance speech. The issue of MK that arises from this topic is discussed more broadly as part of a global approach to conflict management. More specifically, the narrators and interviewer focus on Hans Beukes' story and the narrators' meetings with Luthuli and other family members. Finally discussed is the difficult matter of dealing with racism and segregation in a museum.

Oral History: Jarle Simensen

Monday, 17 October 2011 16:43 Published in Audio Visual

Oral history interview with Jarle Simensen by Barbara Wahlberg.

Simensen commences the interview with an account of his involvement with the Norwegian National Students Union and its commitment to a solidarity campaign against the Apartheid government. Several South African students who lived in exile in Norway are discussed, including Beukes. Simensen reveals how popular belief among students in 1960 was that apartheid would crumble in five years and explains how attention was centred on succession planning.

The interview turns to his meeting with Luthuli in Oslo and the impression he made when giving his acceptance speech in Zulu dress. Also discussed is the role of traditional chiefs in South Africa. Comparisons are drawn between Luthuli and other Nobel Peace Prize winners. The significance of education and educating the youth about leadership is a key topic during the interview.

Mayibuye Afrika: Chief Albert John Lutuli 'His story'

Monday, 17 October 2011 16:43 Published in Audio Visual

VISIT THE LUTHULI MUSEUM or CONTACT US to watch this retrospective documentary on Luthuli's life.

Included in the documentary:

Footage of Luthuliís grave in Groutville; stills of his birthplace, Zimbabwe; archival footage of Natal; shots of Aldinville while Charlotte Goba also discusses Martin Luthuli and his role in founding the ANC; Footage of Groutville at time of making Mayibuye; footage of and anecdotes about educational institutions Luthuli attended and taught at including Ohlange Institute, Edendale teacher training college, Blauwbosen school, and Adams College; Dr Ellen Khuzwayo remembers Luthuli as a teacher and his passion for soccer and Shooting Stars team; Luthuli and Nokukhanyaís marriage; and Jane Ngobese and Albertinah Luthuli discuss their Chiefís role as their father.

Footage of Jan Smuts calling South Africans to join war effort; Dr Albertinah Luthuli recalls her Fatherís comments that Smuts deceived Africans

Daughters of Africa Movement

Hertzog Bills and Native Bills; formation of Native Representative Council (NRC)

Ismail Meer speaks about NRC

Nelson Mandela speaks about NRC

Rowley Arenstein speaks about 1946 mining strike and Atlantic Charter

NRC ceases sitting

Passive Resistance Campaign and reaction of world at United Nations session

Archival footage of Dr Malan

Luthuliís visit to USA, 1948, briefly mentioned

Formation of ANC Youth League: archival photographs of Lembethe; Sisulu; Tambo; Mandela; Yengwa; Conco

Dr Jame Moroka, Chairperson of ANC

Luthuliís challenge to A W G Champion

Mangosuthu Buthelezi discusses Champion and election of Luthuli to replace him

1952 Defiance; ANC; Monty Naicker; Port Elizabeth Riots

Luthuli forced to choose between ANC and NRC posts

Archie Gumede speaks about Luthuliís forced decision to step down as Chief

Suppression of Communism Act

ANCís decision to remove Dr Moroka as chairperson when he abandonís members sent to trial; Luthuli replaces him

Role of women in struggle; beer hall riots

Archival footage of Cato Manor riots

Boycott campaign (cigarettes etc)

Luthuliís first banning and his reaction

Contemporary footage of Luthuliís store and discussion about this business venture

Goolam Suleman and Ray Swart discuss Bantu Education policy

July 1954: Sophiatown forced removals- archival footage and Luthuliís message of support to the resistors

The Freedom Charter and Congress of the People 1955

Edgar Luthuli recalls his father being arrested for Treason; Ismail Meer explains how Treason Trail gave ANC members opportunity to be in same place and discuss issues and speaks about respect Luthuli commanded form all races; discussion about Treason Trial in fact uniting anti-Apartheid opposition

Boycott of Putco buses in Alexandra

Transvaal Provincial Congress

Suleman speaks about Luthuliís friendship with Moses Kotane and his accepting attitude towards communists

Verwoerd regime and establishment of Transkei Bantustan

Hennie Serfontein remembers Pretoria study group meeting that Luthuli was to address until it was disrupted by Right-wing activists; Hendrick Claasens, right wing activist, remembers his part is disrupting the meeting

Black Sash invite Luthuli to Cape Town

Winifred Wright recalls Luthuliís address at Rondebosch Town Halls as one of the most memorable experiences of her life

Noel Robb speaks about Luthuliís Cape Town trip and the subsequent five year ban executed on his return

Ray Swart speaks about arrangements he made with E V Mohammed to meet Luthuli

Pass Laws; joint statement by Luthuli and Martin Luther King

Sharpeville massacre; pass burning

Tony Brink recounts how Luthuli burnt pass at his house and shows ashes he collected; Brink speaks about chauffeuring Luthuli to various pass burning ceremonies

Contemporary footage of Groutville and Luthuliís home; narrative concerns Luthuliís return to Groutville at the close of the Treason Trial

Mandela elected at head of ANCYL

Mandela speaks about formation of MK; recalls Luthuliís stance on non-violence but acceptance of majority decision; recounts anecdote about Luthuli claiming if anyone mistakenly considers him a pacifist, they should try taking one of his chickens and then see what kind of man he is; speaks about how decision was reached to form MK wing with Luthuliís permission

First MK bombs; Luthuli receives Nobel Peace Prize

Jean Hill speaks about E V Mohammed

Footage of Stanger/ KwaDukuza; E V Mohammedís friendship with Luthuli

Oliver Tambo speaks about Luthuliís trip to Norway

Archival footage of Luthuli receiving Nobel Peace Prize; singing Nkosi Sikelele

Purchasing of farm in Swaziland with Nobel Peace Prize money to support ANC in exile

Let My People Go published and subsequently banned

Archival footage of Nelson Mandela; Mandelaís capture

Family discusses how Luthuli suffered isolation on account of bannings

Archival footgae of Vorster speaking about separate development

Rivonia Trial

Luthuli criticises Britain for not playing more significant role in challenging Apartheid Government

Sulemanspeaks about why Luthuli passed only most necessary information to comrades in case of being detained

Kennedyís visit to Luthuli

Luthuliís final years in Groutville; footage of railway line where Luthuli was knocked down

Ndlovu speaks about reaction on Robben island to Luthuliís death

Final reflections of Mandela and others; audio of Luthuli singing Nkosi Sikelele

Oral History: Finn Fostervoll

Monday, 17 October 2011 16:43 Published in Audio Visual

Oral history interview with Finn Fostervoll by Barbara Wahlberg.

The interview commences with a discussion about the Nobel Peace Prize nomination process and letters of support for selecting Luthuli. Fostervoll explains his involvement in arrangements for Luthuli's visit and tells of a sightseeing excursion he led for members of the delegation, including Nokukhanya. The student march and concerns over whether Luthuli would be able to receive the award in person are also discussed, as are the challenges faced by South African exiles living in Norway, specifically Hans Beukes and Freddy Reddy.

As the interview draws to a close, Wahlberg explains how she tracked Fostervoll down using a photograph of him and Luthuli. The conversation concludes with more general discussion about the Luthuli Museum's work, representation of South Africa in the international media and the world cup, and South Africa's relationship with Norway.

Oral History: Asbjorn Eide

Monday, 17 October 2011 16:43 Published in Audio Visual

Oral history interview with Asbjorn Eide by Barbara Wahlberg.

Eide suggests that his interest in peace and human rights stems from his childhood experience living in a town bombed by the Germans during their occupation of Norway. As a teenager he explains how he then became actively involved in the Norwegian student anti-apartheid movement and subsequently attended the banquet and march in Oslo when Luthuli received the Nobel Peace Prize.

He describes the agreeable impression Luthuli made on him and subjects they discussed during their meeting. Also discussed are Eide's friendship with Hans Beukes and Luthuli foreseeing such an event as the Soweto uprising.

Part of the interview is given to examining photographs of Luthuli in Norway that appear in the book "Mother of Light".

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